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Message to Man of Steel haters: shut up hypocrites by ImdaBatman Message to Man of Steel haters: shut up hypocrites by ImdaBatman
I'm so fed up with all the complaints about what I consider the greatest Superman movie ever. And here's why:

"It's too dark for Superman"
No, it's to dark for Richard Donner-style Superman. First of all, it's not darker. It's more serious. And yes, there IS a difference! Second, I'd ask if any of you have ever even picked up a comic, but I already know that Supes is a classic cast of what tvtropes.org calls "Complaining about Shows You Don't Watch". In other words, I can think of dozens of stories off the top of my head that are just as dark: "The Death of Superman", "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow", "Kingdom Come", "Red Son", the list goes on!

"Too much destruction"
Yeah, because "The Avengers" and the Transformers movies were so mild-mannered. Or that last Star Trek movie, where a giant fucking starship crashed into San Francisco, about 2x the damage from MoS. If anything, the Avengers are even more responsible for any collateral damage: they were fighting a bunch of "go down in one hit" kind of mooks. Superman was fighting guys with the same powers, plus military training. Plus, HEL-LOOOOOOOOOOO! Ever wonder if 90% of the people evacuated when they saw a giant fucking alien laser drill hovering over them!?

(Spoiler alert) "Superman killed Zod"
I know, right? How he mercilessly crushed his hand, then throws him into a chasm and shares a moment with Lois (who also had just killed someone) like nothi-...Oh, wait, that's "Superman II", the time nobody ever gave him crap about. This is the time where he was...well, it already says so right up there. There's a difference between killing to save lives and cold-blooded murder. Not only did Bats kill Rā's al Ghūl, he also tied a gargoyle to the Joker's leg and made him fall about 800 feet or so, and then there's how he shoved Harvey Dent off a building - hell that last one was literally the exact same situation that Superman was in!
EDIT: Not to mention when Iron Man killed a whole room full of thugs just because one of them broke a motherfucking Dora the Explorer watch. He literally told him he would be the first to die.

I know nobody likes Superman anymore, but give him a freaking chance! At least it's not "Superman Returns" (the one movie I hate more than that is "Iron Man 3").

I don't own. Rights to characters & films belong to DC comics.
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ZekeEugene Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2016
Here's how the Man of Steel movie worked, essentially:

You take a light-hearted character like Superman, and you place him into a dark, gritty situation where the stakes are truly high.
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Aaronmcloud Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2016
man of steel actually had tension and drama. its like people want superman to be omnipresent, if that were the case then there'd be no point in a justice league. and don't people want that? remember the complaints "oh he's boring because he's so overpowered, there's no tension or high stakes cuz you know he's gonna win" then man of steel happens and its like "oh how DARE zack the hack and Goyer ruin supermans character!" its a no win situation. meanwhile people like nolan will try to make batman as realistic as possible even kill some characters like talia, two face and ras decoy yet no one complained! holy shit the bias/double standard is real
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ZekeEugene Featured By Owner Edited Jan 29, 2016
I agree, Man of Steel actually had both tension and trauma, hence why I said "dark, gritty situation where the stakes are truly high".

And yeah, the bias towards Batman in this case is very, very obvious.
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Aaronmcloud Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2016
oh I'm not blaming you or anything, in fact i was trying to add to your statement =D
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ZekeEugene Featured By Owner Edited Jan 29, 2016
I see. Thank you for correcting me about my initial assumption. :)
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Aaronmcloud Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2016
mhm =)

and i swear if this new batman kills and people complain, I will laugh because batman has already killed in every live action batman movie except batman & robin and yet that movie is the most hated for ice puns, nipples, and a quarter second flash of a credit card XD
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ZekeEugene Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2016
"and i swear if this new batman kills and people complain, I will laugh because batman has already killed in every live action batman movie except batman & robin and yet that movie is the most hated for ice puns, nipples, and a quarter second flash of a credit card XD"

Indeed. I love to laugh at hypocrisy, especially fanbase hypocrisy.
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iceblueflare Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2016
Altought I still think the scene with Zod's death could be better worked (say, Superman tries to cover Zod's eyes with his arm, but the blast is stronger than he expected and he ends with no alternative but killing him), great point.
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LordGojira Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Batman also did ACTUALLY kill Two-Face and Talia al Ghul... but I guess people won't bitch about that either.
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ImdaBatman Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
also true
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LordGojira Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Like you said: hypocrites.
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V-striker Featured By Owner May 27, 2015
Nothing wrong with a film being dark, but the thing is they didn't do it well. DC's movies keep going for this dark and edgy style, but they can't seem to get it all that right. Batman Begins was okay, TDR was good, and The Dark KNight Rises was... uh, I don't get into it. Point is if your going to make a movie so depressing and gloomy, at least do a good job at it. This didn't.

Transformers is not a valid argument. Those movies suck. If that's the standard your putting Man of Steel next to then I suggest a change of pace. As for Avengers, yes there was destruction, but we also see them trying to actively prevent casualties during the fight. Now I get Superman was by himself and Zod was made of way tougher stuff than the Chautari, but he didn't even try to lead him away from the city. Whether your new at being a superhero or not, that's basic stuff.

I don't really care bout him killing Zod, but there should have been way more build up to it. We don't know anything about Superman's moral code, we don't know about his clear unwillingness to kill, because that's never gone over in the movie. We know he's conflicted about helping people and... honestly, that's ALL we really know about Clark. There's nothing else to him. He has no other character traits that define him. So when he kills Zod and then starts crying, instead of sympathizing with him, we're just left with a strange looking scene. Even if you did get it, it's brushed right over in the very next scene.
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Sl9086 Featured By Owner May 20, 2015
I have no opinion of Man of Steel so i cant like say if the movie was bad or not but ill put my two cents:
Breaking neck is not the way i would expect superman to kill..bu mostly because,  i dunno, i tought he would do so with pounbding or his eye beams, but other than that i feel that if there are no options, if being reasonable fails and the villain is too dangerous, a hero will have to go for the killer option. And about the collateral damage...im going to be more fair to avoid showing sides so..in any of those superhero vs supervillain battles, there will be always damage, i know the hero would want to avoid hurting much people...but is the villain the one who doesnt make things easy so is hard to multitask and things are hard to do and unless you get backup team or some other stuff..is gonna be hard to aovid damages.
And..Superman, lately im trying to seek some stories and pieces to understand him, while he is not my favourite character..im begining to get why is he so respected, is not just because of him being one of the first superheroes but is about values. Is too easy to have all those powers but being able to handle them properly is a challenge, specially in a world that wants you to give up those morals to get rid of criminals. There is a reason i feel even some antiheroes or chars and people respects supes, if anything, being able to foil the machinations of someone who relies in manipulation and influences like Lex, without having to always use brute force but foiling his mind games, is a hell of a task and Superman made his name known just because of how he can handle it.

Sorry for the long comment but is just an opinion, ill remain neutral on man of steel movie but i am not willing to bash anyone who liked it.
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kittysilva Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
I don't hate superman for that it's because he's too perfect!
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ImdaBatman Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
another common misconception. he's got plenty of enemies who can match him punch for punch. Metallo, Parasite, Darkseid, Bizarro...
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kittysilva Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Hmm interesting
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RariTwirules15 Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
Those Christian Bale Batman movies are shit in my opinion.

Personally, I liked the Superman movie better in comparison.
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ImdaBatman Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
well for the most part I liked the Bale movies, though I think people give them a little too much praise.
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RariTwirules15 Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
If you ask me, they're given waaay too much praise on something that isn't even an accurate portrayal on ANY of the characters.
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ImdaBatman Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
actually, I think they nailed Joker's personality on the nose. and it's one of the only accurate versions of Bane.
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nightmare475 Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2015
ok i just saw this and figured "hey better say something". though i'm not a fan of the Man of Steel, i still think its a nice change to superman as i never really liked the older one. he always seemed either too powerful or too weak depending on what film you speak of, and though i'm a batman fan, the movies weren't that great either. and to talk about the image above, lets simplify that down a bit,
we'll start with batman.
guy chooses to not save a leader of a major terrorist group known for killing hundreds of people and hes loved for it. that and it is never really specified that the terrorist died but just gets throw off a mountain and is only assumed hes dead. 

now superman.
guy saves 5-6 people from a attack that they could have easily walked away from after decimating metropolis by killing the guy and is hated for it.
the fact is that both heroes have been around for over 80 years and many people look up to them. that and the main reason why people like batman more is because he doesn't really change as time passes while superman has had to have his powers decreased several times. that and batman is more relatable as he is actually human and doesn't have any special powers while superman is basically in his own words "surrounded by a world made of glass and cardboard." however superman is relatable as he is seen as a shining beacon of hope and the standard for good.however in the end,can we all agree that both are awesome heroes? 
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SIERRA-116 Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2015
Yeah, but Iron Man 3 was a little... dumb. Different director.
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ImdaBatman Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
A little?
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SIERRA-116 Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2015
Okay, very. I mean, Iron Man suits getting wrecked by... metal poles?

*deadpan*
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ImdaBatman Featured By Owner Mar 13, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
not to mention getting hit with a truck. is that supposed to be an upgrade from the suit that could go 1-on-1 with Thor?
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ZekeEugene Featured By Owner Edited Apr 24, 2015
Sorry to interfere ImdaBat, but I'd like to add this:

Tony: "In hindsight, that was not my lucky day. Next time I go against Extremis-enhanced guys and gals, I'd better modify my suit with the right precautions."
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ImdaBatman Featured By Owner Apr 24, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Tony: "Like maybe a special heat-resistant suit. Yeah, it could have freezing weapons and submerge in lava..."

Thor: "Perhaps you could ask Dr. Pym to help you upgrade your suit?"

Tony: "He's still mad at me after leaving him out of 2 Avengers movies."

Captain America: "Can you blame him? The first involves the Avengers becoming a team, and the second involves Ultron. Both of which were his idea in the comics."
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ZekeEugene Featured By Owner Edited Apr 25, 2015
Tony: "By the way, Steve, how are those angel twins doing? I hear one of them managed to earn his way to Go-Go's heart."

Captain America: "Yes, that's true. The problem is, both Eugene and Zeke are almost as bloodthirsty as Frank. Just recently Zeke just shot Madame Hydra with an explosive round to the chest, instantly killing her..."

Tony: "What about Eugene?"

Cap: "He's far worse. Unlike Zeke, Eugene won't just limit his kills to terrorists and totalitarian regimes. Eugene will kill just about anything that commits a violent crime."

Tony: "Funny, I thought angels were supposed to be much nicer. Especially ones of mercy."

SHIELD Rookie: "I'm starting to suspect that Eugene would be the one that offs Go-Go someday. The Yakuza is a street gang. Go-Go was one of their thugs. Therefore, if anything, it's more likely that Eugene would be the one to axe her off."

-Captain America, Thor, and Tony all glare at the rookie-

SHIELD Rookie: "What?"
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ImdaBatman Featured By Owner May 22, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Tony: "Well, in all fairness, how many of us have been forced to put down our loved ones? Remember when Hawkeye was forced to kill Moonstone?"

Thor: "Meteorite."

Tony: "Whatever."
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SIERRA-116 Featured By Owner Mar 13, 2015
That's true. I mean, he got hit with Mjolnir and survived... and a friggin pipe impales a suit?

Stupid.
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LeereMorgue Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Notice how 'hypocrites' rhymes with 'kryptonites', hypocrites are also my kryptonite.
I only like the Batman in comics, hated the movies. But I'm not hammering it into people's face, like those people do when they take their opinions as facts. Not you, them.
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babyroxasman Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2015
I never really got a chance to know superman when I was little The Flash was my favourite because I liked to run and he was the fastest man alive. I liked Batman because his shows were cool but I have never seen a Superman show so I know nothing accept the basic stuff and what I read in a few comics.
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devilkais Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2015
Dude, I do love Supes. Thing is , I found this movie to be lacking for other reasons than the 3 you pointed out, which BTW did not bother me ...
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Nitish-Loneshark Featured By Owner Aug 27, 2014  Student Filmographer
Because Hating Superman is a Cool thing now, so everyone wants to jump on that bandwagon. 
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Xenomaster Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2014
I hate Batman and like Superman
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Ozymannndias677 Featured By Owner Sep 13, 2014
I never liked Superman until I watched "Man of Steel", because I always thought Kal-El to be an emotional train wreck.
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Xenomaster Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2014
I thought the opposite
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Ozymannndias677 Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2015
You mean after all the years that he's been at Lois Lane's hip--between saving the world, having his morality challenged by Lex Luthor, and throwing tantrums at regular intervals--you didn't see him like that until watching "Man of Steel"?
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Xenomaster Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2015
Man of Steel isn't canon, you know
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Ozymannndias677 Featured By Owner Sep 18, 2015
Between New 52 and Convergence, what is?
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Xenomaster Featured By Owner Sep 19, 2015
Convergence makes all the comics under its name canon
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ImdaBatman Featured By Owner Sep 2, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
That much I knew
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matthew-lane Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I disagree: People hated Man of Steel specifically because they DON'T hate Superman.
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